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abbeysapprentice |
Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 7:32 AM EDT
i was rewatching an episode the other day from series1, Natural Born Killer. was it just me or does Hotch imply he was abused as a child?Hotchner: You were just responding to what you learned Vincent. When you grow up in an environment like that, an extremely abusive and violent household.. it's not surprising that some people grow up to become killers. Vincent: Some people? Hotchner: What's that? Vincent: You said some people grow up to become killers. Hotchner: ...And some people grow up to catch them. what do you think? anything to it? 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
bau-beamer |
1. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 8:37 AM EDT
We don't know too much about his childhood, but it could be a possibility. I was thinking more that a case involving abuse took a hit on him or he knows someone who was abused. Or he might have just been ticking off the UnSub. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
#1hotchfan |
2. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 12:16 PM EDT
Yeah we've chatted about that. It was implied but never confirmed or brought up again. But that was an intense interrogation!
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Bessie_Mae |
3. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 12:55 PM EDT
I totally believe Hotch was abused.
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bluebird123 |
4. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 1:42 PM EDT
yeah me too. i want them to address this issue in future episodes
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abbeysapprentice |
5. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 3:44 PM EDT
it just seemed like he was talking about personal experience to me. it would be cool if they explored this further.
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Special_Agent_Marta |
6. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 24 2008, 4:09 PM EDT
I recently rewatched this episode and I wrote my comments on my profile page. this is undoubtedly an intense episode: probably Hotch's father was violent or in general his family life was not so happy as it seemed (such as the Unsub's one, as Hotch guesses in the episode)... I think this could be an interesting aspect of Hotch's character to develop in further episodes, in particular after the divorce and the distance from Jack
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bau-beamer |
7. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 25 2008, 6:37 PM EDT
In 3x05 he was getting angry with the UnSub's husband, who abused his niese. Maybe another episode involving abuse will be Hotch-centric.
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Cathain |
8. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 26 2008, 4:49 PM EDT
As usually I have some theories on this subject : )1) Hotch was abused, but I don`t think, it was his father. When we see his brother visiting him, he said to Hotch something like "You sound like Dad" Even if the brother was mad at Hotch, he wouldn`t have said something like that, if it was the father who abused. Okay, the brother (I call him from now on X, cause I can`t remember his name) could have growing up without knowing about the abuse, but the way Hotch is talking about abused children to the criminal made his disposition clear. I think, he would have left his home really early and he would have had a real bad connection to his father and his brother had to notice that. So, he would have never compared his brother to their Dad even in great anger. 2) Hotch wasn`t abused, but someone close to him or it is just part of his "pattern"! We know Hotch cares very much about the victims. So this simple sentence could be "nothing more"! 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Bessie_Mae |
9. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 26 2008, 6:23 PM EDT
Well, his abuser could have been someone else. But, The Tribe episode, his brother (Sean) didn't say that Hotch sounded like their dad. This is the episode where people started doubting the abuse thing, because the dad mentioned here sounded like a great guy. The guy who taught his sons to listen to their hearts. Sean just said that being a lawyer made their dad have a heart attack at 46 and when Hotch went into older brother mode, Sean just said, "You're not him" like he didn't want Hotch to act like a parent to him. Typical comment when you're older sibling is lecturing you - "You're not my dad/mom."I like to think they created a story a little more complex than Daddy was a big bad monster we hate, and actually made someone who actually had good points along with being abusive. But, they probably just forgot the story they set up when they wrote The Tribe. Like they forgot they said his dad had a heart attack when Ashes and Dust was written (and they admitted that they forgot it in that case) But, to me, the comment in Natural Born Killer was just a little too specific to be just a general sentence. If he had said "Some people don't" that would have been general. "Some people grow up to *catch" them" is very specific . Who grew up to catch killers? Hotch. And, I can't think of why he'd be talking about law enforcement people in general who were abused as kids. And, people have said he might be lying, but a lie at that point would have been useless and not added anything to the episode. At least when Natural Born Killer aired, I'm sure they intended for the audience to get that Hotch was abused by his dad. The unsub there was who Hotch could have been. And, then the writers messed up his back story and the great confusion began. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
jackie196602 |
10. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 26 2008, 10:45 PM EDT
i think Hotch was abused as a child. you can definately see how he reactsand how it effects him in cases that deal in general with children. take psychodrama for instance when he shot the unsub for killing that boy, and hurting all those other children. he said to the unsub "they're children, innocent children." that is what i think. jackie 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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bluebird123 |
11. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Jun 28 2008, 8:56 AM EDT
"i think Hotch was abused as a child. you can definately see how he reactsi agree, it was so angry in that scene. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
criminalmindsfan1 |
12. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 24 2008, 3:10 PM EST
I am going to have to agree with Hotch being abused. I would like to more about Hotch's story. He does seem to not get to personal with the other members on his team about his personal life. I think it might not have been his dad, but maybe another family member. Do we know anything about his mom? Maybe it could be his mother's boyfriend or stepfather? Could Hotch have an older brother, an uncle living in the house? Maybe a grandfather? It could be anything, maybe even a teacher or mentor like Morgan. Or maybe they just botched his whole story line up. But I would like to know why Hotch is so seemingly dark and mysterious, and why he is so on edge this season.
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criminalmindsfan1 |
13. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 24 2008, 3:12 PM EST
When I said teacher or mentor I meant like the case when we found out some more about Morgan in the episode Profiler Profiled.
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Bessie_Mae |
14. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 24 2008, 3:24 PM EST
I'm sure he doesn't have an older brother. If he was a character they never said anything about, then anything would be fair game, but since we do know some facts, I would say it's a pretty good bet that there's no more immediate family that they just haven't mentioned yet. As far as the burning question of who, I think since Hotch parallel's Vincent Perotta (in my opinion) the abuser would have to be a parent, because it would be someone who lived with him growing up and made his house normal and happy on the outside, but violent on the inside. I personally still lean towards it being his dad, regardless of the inconsistencies of later episodes. But, some people have made a pretty good argument for why it could have been his mother. Either way, I think it was definitely a parent. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
hotchgirl |
15. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 27 2008, 10:24 PM EST
I totally agree with you Bessie Mae. Hotch was abused by a parent. Hoch was very specfic when he said to Vincent Perotta that some people catch them.Is there any surveys saying which parent is likely to be the abuser? Do you find this valuable? |
batgurl88 |
16. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 27 2008, 11:20 PM EST
Going off what I believe are Canadian statistics (where I'm from), physical abuse is usually related to males (fathers/stepfathers/brothers, etc) and boys are more likely than girls to be physically abused. Mothers are more likely to engage in neglecting abuse than physical abuse, but it does of course happen.In Hotch's case, I assumed it was a father or stepfather. His story likely does parallel Perotta's (as Bessie_Mae suggested), and the later inconsistencies could be explained by him having two major father figures in his life - one who abused him and one who was a lawyer he was proud of and modelled himself after. The writers did admit a mixup with his backstory, but I still think it could be reworked to make sense. Do you find this valuable? |
suztripeny |
17. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 28 2008, 4:39 PM EST
I totally agree, I do think he was abused as a child, however, I think he was abused by his mother. I only think that because in the "Fisher King" Prentiss said "you don't trust women as much as you do men," and his reply was "all those things are true." So, my feeling was his abuse came from a woman most likely his mother.
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jareaufan |
18. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 28 2008, 4:44 PM EST
Some people have said before that the father he modeled himself after could have been a stepfather, and the one who abused him could have been his biological father.
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suztripeny |
19. RE: Hotch abused as a child?
Dec 28 2008, 4:57 PM EST
"Some people have said before that the father he modeled himself after could have been a stepfather, and the one who abused him could have been his biological father."I think the problem is that they have never given us much on Hotch's childhood. Little tib-bits here and there. I really do hope they give us his back story soon. I have never heard the "step-father theory." I had always just assumed that since his father died when he was 17 that a stepfather never entered the picture. He never mentioned his mother other than what college she went to in "Blood Hungry, or Thirsty," I can never remember that one. However, in "The Tribe" I got the feeling Hotch was close to his father and that his brother (Sean) looked up to Hotch like a father. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
