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jareaufan	Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 23 2008, 6:53 PM EDT Please use this thread for all discussion regarding the episode. =] Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
casecracker	1. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 10:29 PM EDT "Please use this thread for all discussion regarding the episode. =]" This was THE best CM I have EVER seen!! To me it felt more like a movie-the way it was directed- then an episode from a TV show. I think that is all I will say for now, in case some are still viewing........ Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
#1hotchfan	2. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 10:34 PM EDT I wanted to catch Hotch when he fell!!! And Morgan.....whoa! Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DexterMorganFan	3. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 10:51 PM EDT I was worried near the end when the ambulance blew up Morgan was dead.I liked the scenes with Hotch and Imo that's why TG is that good.also I didn't get this was it all a diversion to kill the guy in the hospital?But they didn't tell you who it was?They put the bomb under Kate's Suv was there a reason? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Bessie_Mae	4. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 10:52 PM EDT Um, so what's the best time to start saying more? Discussing the episode in detail? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
#1hotchfan	5. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 10:55 PM EDT "Um, so what's the best time to start saying more? Discussing the episode in detail?" Anytime is..... the thread is labeled appropriately so you can chat away about it!!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Bessie_Mae	6. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 10:56 PM EDT All right, guess I can talk. The bomb under the SUV was a diversion. And, also possibly to have a reason for an ambulance to be there. So, I think that's why it was set off before Hotch and the Brit got in. They didn't want to kill them - not right away. They needed a reason to get to the hospital and the only way in was an ambulance with a critically injured patient. That's how I interpret it. So, I'm not sure but it seems like all of it was a diversion to get one guy. Make it seem bigger than it was so they wouldn't know the real target was so small. Post reply 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Bessie_Mae	7. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:09 PM EDT Well, I wouldn't say best episode ever, but being like a movie has never really been important to me, unless it actually is a movie. I also don't care about how things are shot or any technical stuff. I found some of it confusing (and they lied! They said one of the team specifically was a target and they weren't. If it was another team member besides Hotch at the place, I think they would have been the target, since they were just a diversion). Also wish there was more team stuff. The Hotch stuff was wonderful. I'm selfish and don't care at all that they spent a lot of time at the beginning on him. The guy just got blown up (sort of) he's disoriented and distraught. And, there was nothing ghoulish about him. The not being able to hear at first (guess he might still have some problems with that, unless that was another lie) the repeating to that scum terrorist/fake helper to call 911, the whole uncertainty of his movements, so unlike Hotch. The frantic screaming for help with none coming. And, you know it got to him and he wasn't thinking clearly when he wasn't at all suspicious of the paramedic coming through with no one else. Plus, the Morgan dynamic with him, Morgan saying forget protocol he wasn't leaving him back there. And, although someone is probably going to read shippiness, I didn't detect any in Hotch's scenes with the Brit. And, Hotch is the worst patient ever, although the collapse would have been much more effective if it was shown real time instead of slo-mo. But, he still looked out of it even after he suited up and was running with the team. And, I'm running out of space. So, I'll stop here and comment more in a later post. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MooreCriminalMinds	8. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:09 PM EDT well I already posted on the spoiler thread, clearly not the right one, all I said was wow, it was soo good, and Bessie, I loved it, knew it wouldn't let me down, don't know about you guys but Morgan talking to Garcia after the ambulance blew up and at the very end with Hotch and Morgan made me cry, i loved it, wow..soo good Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
#1hotchfan	9. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:09 PM EDT It would have been nice, just to satisfy curiousity, to find out WHO this individual was that was at the hospital. And the interesting thing is, this couldn't have been a random act but a very well thought out one. This surgery must have been in the works for a while for them to take on this type of planning. And the fact that one man was able to take out a half-filled elevator of armed Secret Service men and none of them got off a shot...... blows my mind! and why didn't Hotch, Morgan or Rossi shoot the bomber in the arm to prevent him from killing himself? That would have at least gotten the knife out of the way. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
morganforever	10. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:13 PM EDT Does does everyone else think about the storyline of Morgan leaving to work in New York? Is that going to happen...any details? I don't know what I would do if he left the show...the connection he has with Garcia is AMAZING!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
phoenix4538	11. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:27 PM EDT Damn it! I missed the end because my TiVo only recorded the hour so I got the first 10 minutes of the stupid presidential speech. Can someone tell me what happened after Morgan got down to the garage where the ambulance was parked and called in the ambulance # to Garcia? Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Bessie_Mae	12. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:37 PM EDT Hmm, hard to comment on that storyline because I know so many spoilers it's hard to write like I don't know. (But, if you want details as to upcoming episodes, take a look at the spoiler thread. Last few pages should answer. We went on in detail. With links to pictures) I will say, trying to speak like i would if I didn't know anything, that Morgan doesn't want to leave the team. When he said, "don't I need your recommendation?" to Hotch, I think that was his way of saying he wanted to know that Hotch wanted him there on the team. Of course, on the flip side, he doesn't like the idea that Hotch feels he's not qualified for the position even if he doesn't actually want to take it. But, one thing. It's been said in other places, but the Brit dying never meant that Morgan was automatically leaving. It only meant he'd be the first one requested. I don't think it was a mandatory transfer. He can still say no, and I believe that he does want to say no. He doesn't want to leave the team. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GoldfishGirl26	13. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:45 PM EDT SQUEEEE. More later. /off to write a Hotch and Garcia reunion fic Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Bessie_Mae	14. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:47 PM EDT The ambulance blew up (and they cut Garcia's desperate "Morgan!" from the promo, although she did have a few frantic "Derek" lines, just not as intense). Then, Morgan emerged a few feet away, unharmed. Hotch, Reid, and Rossi found the bomber/evil paramedic and he slit his throat (all of them had a martyr thing where they killed themselves - the terrorists, I mean). Hotch went to see the Brit who was dead, dead, dead. And, he was sad, sad, sad. Prentiss had a scene with Cooper, and she gave him Mets tickets and they were awkward and stumbling and they played some annoying shippy music, even though he's married and he's not coming back. I think the awkwardness was because they liked each other as people and he got shot in front of her and she was worried about him and how do you act with someone who was bleeding to death in front of you only a day or so before? I'm chalking it up to bad editing of the music. Then, Morgan came to give Hotch a ride, because something is wrong with Hotch's ears, and he can't fly, although it's temporary. And, Hotch told Morgan he (Morgan) was up for the Brit's position now that she's dead, but Hotch felt Morgan's actions while brave showed a lack of trust in others. And, he said he'd trust Morgan with his life, but wanted to know if Morgan trusted him with his. And, he asked Morgan if he still wanted to drive and it ended ambiguously to me. Either Morgan was handing over the keys or using the button to unlock the car and drive himself. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Bessie_Mae	15. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:48 PM EDT "SQUEEEE. More later. /off to write a Hotch and Garcia reunion fic " Seriously? Please if you're serious, put it somewhere I can find it. Link to it or something. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GoldfishGirl26	16. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 24 2008, 11:53 PM EDT It may take until the weekend, but I think I am serious. I tried to write an Iowa fic a couple days ago, but the few stories I've written in other fandoms have been post-ep fic and I have no experience actually constructing plot or narrative. And i NEED some team reunion stuff, after all that. Because I am such a gen-woobie addict. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
casecracker	17. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 25 2008, 2:12 AM EDT "Well, I wouldn't say best episode ever, but being like a movie has never really been important to me, unless it actually is a movie. I also don't care about how things are shot or any technical stuff. I found some of it confusing (and they lied! They said one of the team specifically was a target and they weren't. If it was another team member besides Hotch at the place, I think they would have been the target, since they were just a diversion). Also wish there was more team stuff. The Hotch stuff was wonderful. I'm selfish and don't care at all that they spent a lot of time at the beginning on him. The guy just got blown up (sort of) he's disoriented and distraught. And, there was nothing ghoulish about him. The not being able to hear at first (guess he might still have some problems with that, unless that was another lie) the repeating to that scum terrorist/fake helper to call 911, the whole uncertainty of his movements, so unlike Hotch. The frantic screaming for help with none coming. And, you know it got to him and he wasn't thinking clearly when he wasn't at all suspicious of the paramedic coming through with no one else. Plus, the Morgan dynamic with him, Morgan saying forget protocol he wasn't leaving him back there. And, although someone is probably going to read shippiness, I didn't detect any in Hotch's scenes with the Brit. And, Hotch is the worst patient ever, although the collapse would have been much more effective if it was shown real time instead of slo-mo. But, he still looked out of it even after he suited up and was running with the team. And, I'm running out of space. So, I'll stop here and comment more in a later post." What is meant by my 'more like a movie' was my own feeling that scenes were longer, actors were allowed more time to share what their character had just experienced, how the character is dealing with the experience, his reaction to those around him, etc. TV shows tend to be filmed in many scene shots, and can sometimes appear chopped. Television will have multiple cameras, as does movie productions, however, movies make you feel it is being filmed by only one. I think the idea of this Wiki- B.M. is not to critique what my opinion is, for that matter, not anyones opinion but rather your insight on the television show for which this Wiki is devoted to. Post reply 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Bessie_Mae	18. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 25 2008, 3:08 AM EDT I wasn't "critiquing your opinion". Giving an alternative view is in no way a critique. I didn't say you were wrong, I didn't say nobody should like it, I didn't say anything about you or anything like that. I just said that this isn't something that matters to me. Other people have brought up the movie thing. I believe SM was talking about it in his interview, so it seemed to be something they were going for. So, it seems valid and about the episode, not only to say if you liked that attempt and believed it succeeded, but also to be able to say whether you didn't or whether it was an effort that didn't interest you (me). Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Bessie_Mae	19. RE: Discussion for Episode 4x01 "Mayhem" Sep 25 2008, 3:11 AM EDT "It may take until the weekend, but I think I am serious. I tried to write an Iowa fic a couple days ago, but the few stories I've written in other fandoms have been post-ep fic and I have no experience actually constructing plot or narrative. And i NEED some team reunion stuff, after all that. Because I am such a gen-woobie addict. " Oh, oh, oh. Derailing Mayhem conversation. Iowa as in past case, Hotch talks unsub down but he gets off and kills again Iowa? SQUEE! Although I know how hard it is to write a story with an original plot. I've never been able to do it in fanfics. I'm kind of tied to canon and post eps myself. And, yes! Write gen! I can't believe this fandom is so shippy and slashy and I don't read any of it for this show, so it means i have so little fic to read. Sorry for the interrupt. Okay, back to Mayhem. It was funny when Cooper said he had a catheter in his whatever euphemism he used. And, small touch of Garcia yanking her ear piece out in irritation because Morgan scared her again was very nice. sometimes the little scenes are the most effective. (I thought the God given solace line was a little too scripted if that makes sense. Like something a writer would write for a heartfelt moment, but not something someone would actually say). But, going over it again, I found other small moments I liked. I liked the annoyance that Garcia had with Morgan even before when he was just about to get in the ambulance and she was telling him he could be smart like everyone else and evacuate and she sounded so frustrated with him. Somehow that was just really effective. And, I've fanwanked the shippiness out of the Prentiss and Cooper scene, so I enjoyed it more. And, Hotch being still wobbly even after getting out of the hospital was good. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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