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HonourSociety
HonourSociety
Too Much Romance...
Sep 24 2008, 7:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 24 2008, 7:57 PM EDT
Don't get me wrong - a little flirting here and there is fine, but I thought this was just too much. It took away from the case too much. Not only does it not seem like something Reid would do, but it was obvious even then that this little Reid-n'-Lila thing was not going to last more than one episode. All in all, not my favourite episode. 6  out of 15 found this valuable. Do you?    
wensmcg
wensmcg
1. RE: Too Much Romance...
Sep 25 2008, 4:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2008, 4:03 PM EDT
I like this episode ["someone's watching"?](but then I am a hopeless romantic and a fan of Reid). I guess it's just been re-run?

I thought it was a really cute way to show how naive and lonely Reid is - yet another element to his character. It contrasts Reids feelings towards relationships with Derek's really well - as the latter tends to be a bit of an "alley cat" (I mean that lovingly SM/DM fans so no claws please!). It also shows the different degrees of experience they have with respect to knowing how to draw the line between a potential victim and themselves, how much more controlled Morgan is of his feelings and actions whereas Reid, who probably isn't used to pretty girls falling all over him (he probably wouldn't usually notice) is so unable to control his emotions when a beatiful girl want to be with him.

He has spent a lot of his life effectively alone, and hasn't really developed the skills of knowing when and how to apply physical affection

I'm not talking about "sexual" touch just touch in general - notice Reid very rarely touches anyone - he's not even one to shake hands often). , which is not unusual in children of people with Schizophrenia due to their inherent lack of skills around appropriate social boundaries and physcial affection. Diana does not touch Spencer when she is with him either, which makes it even more striking when he holds her hand on the plane home.

That said I'm not upset that Lila only had one show, it's not practical to have a relationship work over that far, when Hotch cant maintain one in the same city. JJ and Will do well managing theirs over distance. It would be kind of ironic that the least socially competent character would be the one able to maintain a relationship though.

I do have a really bad thought though - is Reid still a virgin? What do you think?
Wxx
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sojourner19
sojourner19
2. RE: Too Much Romance...
Sep 25 2008, 4:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2008, 4:48 PM EDT
Very good post wensmcg. I totally agree with you! Do you find this valuable?    
HonourSociety
HonourSociety
3. RE: Too Much Romance...
Sep 25 2008, 5:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 25 2008, 5:02 PM EDT
I'll try not to go too far off-topic here, but I kind of think he's a virgin.

Although MGG (actor who plays him) has said in many interviews that Reid is autistic, with mild Schizophrenia, he's shown not to be completely anti-social. He asked JJ on a date, etc.

In one episode in season three (no idea about the name) JJ is teasing Garcia singing, "Kevin and Garcia, sitting in a tree..." and Reid has no clue what this means. Seems like a little more than the average person's naiveté.

Great post, though. :)

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fotobridget2
fotobridget2
4. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 2 2008, 7:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 2 2008, 7:31 PM EDT
"

Although MGG (actor who plays him) has said in many interviews that Reid is autistic, with mild Schizophrenia,
"
Um...do you happen to remember where MGG said Reid was autistic/mildly schizophrenic?

I personally don't think the character shows signs of either one of these conditions, so I'd really like to see/reed why MGG says that.

Thanks
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Bessie_Mae
Bessie_Mae
5. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 2 2008, 7:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 2 2008, 7:45 PM EDT
I imagine it's because people automatically assume that social awkwardness + genius = autistic. And, MGG could very well be doing the same thing. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
#1hotchfan
#1hotchfan
6. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 2 2008, 7:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 2 2008, 7:48 PM EDT
Plus look at how Reid was treated for being a child genius. That would make anyone socially awkward. He was way ahead of everyone else so they picked on him. They were afraid and intimidated by him.... Do you find this valuable?    
fotobridget2
fotobridget2
7. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 5 2008, 10:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 10:29 AM EDT
Hi Bessie!

It's entirely possible that MGG could be misinformed! But autism isn't just socially awkward geniuses, and I hate to see that idea bandied about involving Reid's character, because he's not, is nowhere near autistic. Just awkward.

He may have schizophrenia, and it may be too soon for him to know. Many people are diagnosed/first symptomatic in their thirties--he may just be too young to know for sure. Which could account for the 'afraid of your own mind' comments and beleifs he exhibits...but autistic?
Nope, not a bit!
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HonourSociety
HonourSociety
8. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 5 2008, 2:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 2:46 PM EDT
- fotobridget2

Found the article/interview for you http://tvdramas.about.com/od/criminalminds/a/matgraygubint.htm

He says, quote, ""He's an eccentric genius, with hints of schizophrenia and minor autism, Asperger's Syndrome," but talks some more about it in the full article. Hope that helps and sorry it took me so long to get back to you!
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Madaline75
9. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 5 2008, 3:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 3:28 PM EDT
When I first started reading and posting on CM message boards I honestly though he had mild autism because I'd read that interview with MGG (he's said it somewhere else too, not just there). With all these different opinions I now have no idea if he does or he doesn't.

Honestly someone should put this to the vote or something. If MGG thinks Reid has minor autism (and some autism can be so mild the sufferer just appears shy and awkward but it's more than just that) then maybe he knows his character better than us.
If he had autism though, wouldn't he find it difficult to read ppl and emotions? Then again if he can match a persons behaviour to something he's read in a book then he should be able to read them, but as if he's reading a book. Or can he read and understand new types of behaviour? If there is any left.
Then again Reids character is changing all the time and the social isolation theory fits in, Reid is becoming less awkward with himself..but as far as I can tell he's still a loner in his private life...but none of them are able to successfully manage a normal private life. The alley cat describes Derek perfectly, he's street wise, Reid even being socially isolated as a child is well into his twenties now, he's gone through FBI training and passed!! Yet he's still like a child in so many ways, he's been out in the big wide world for some time now, he's seen some of the worst things imaginable...he shouldn't be like that. So is there something more than social isolation in his early years that's slowing him down? Would, as someone told me a couple of days ago, him not having the normal channels of social interraction while he was a child possibly damage him for life? Now it could be the schizophrenia.

I'm reading all these different opinions I honestly don't know anymore.
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Bessie_Mae
Bessie_Mae
10. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 5 2008, 3:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 3:58 PM EDT
"

It's entirely possible that MGG could be misinformed! But autism isn't just socially awkward geniuses, and I hate to see that idea bandied about involving Reid's character, because he's not, is nowhere near autistic. Just awkward.

Nope, not a bit!
"
Yes, I do think he's misinformed. Because it's quite possible (and from what I've read on the subject, I'd say likely) that MGG might not know what exactly Asperger's *is*. Which is very important in knowing whether someone has it. So, he could be wrong about his character. I'd say the closest he has to it is "tv version" which unfortunately comes to mean "socially awkward genius" or even "genius who's eccentric" or even "someone with any differences in personality from everyone else." Because it seems like practically *everyone* on tv has Asperger's, if you hunt long enough online to find someone claiming it for them.

Anyway, I think they've gotten away from that assumption.
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jareaufan
jareaufan
11. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 5 2008, 5:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 5 2008, 5:10 PM EDT
I don't think Reid has autism, but that he does more or less have at least a mild case of Asperger's Syndrome.

I was actually diagnosed with a mild case of it about three years ago, and had done all my research on it afterwards. It does create a "socially-awkward genius" situation for the people who have it, and sometimes the "socially awkward" part only manifests itself in certain situations and can cause people to ramble on about a certain subject - like Reid often does.

So I would say that he does have a mild case of Asperger's, like myself. But not autism, which is commonly confused with the aformentioned.
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Madaline75
12. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 6 2008, 5:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2008, 5:32 AM EDT
"I don't think Reid has autism, but that he does more or less have at least a mild case of Asperger's Syndrome.

I was actually diagnosed with a mild case of it about three years ago, and had done all my research on it afterwards. It does create a "socially-awkward genius" situation for the people who have it, and sometimes the "socially awkward" part only manifests itself in certain situations and can cause people to ramble on about a certain subject - like Reid often does.

So I would say that he does have a mild case of Asperger's, like myself. But not autism, which is commonly confused with the aformentioned."
I was actually told by a consultant that he had teenagers on his books right now who he wasn't sure were mild Aspergers or just extremely shy, so I'm guessing aspergers can be very very mild if the two can be confused.
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jareaufan
jareaufan
13. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 6 2008, 4:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2008, 4:34 PM EDT
Autism, shyness and Asperger's are confused a lot from what I know. But they're actually very different. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
JBfromNJ
JBfromNJ
14. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 9 2008, 9:28 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 9 2008, 9:28 AM EDT
"Um...do you happen to remember where MGG said Reid was autistic/mildly schizophrenic?

I personally don't think the character shows signs of either one of these conditions, so I'd really like to see/reed why MGG says that.

Thanks"
In "Broken Mirror" of season 1 the unsub notes the "autistic leadings" or dr. reid
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fotobridget2
fotobridget2
15. RE: Too Much Romance...
Oct 10 2008, 10:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 10 2008, 10:48 PM EDT
I've not seen all of season one yet, but I'm going to completely disagree with MGG's words in this interview (thanks to HonourSociety for the link). Autism and Aspergers are part of spectrum disorders known as Pervasive Developmental Disorders. Reid may very well suffer from a PDD--but to just blithely describe Reid as Autistic or Aspergers is misleading. He could very well have a PDD-NOS (Not Otherwise Specified)--in which case he has tendencies that are common of the two more 'well-known' conditions, but not ALL or ENOUGH to be considered TYPICAL cases (I know, all cases of Autism/Aspergers are different, but I am speaking just generally here) and therefore unable to be diagnosed as either Autism or Aspergers. He'd get a diagnosis of PDD-NOS.

And I still think that is a long shot. I just think the character grew up in a relatively isolated world, and FAILED to learn appropriate social behavior. However, his character is changing/evolving and learning those social behaviors.

Not everyone who is socially awkward OR a genius is autistic or has Asperger's. I think that is a bit of a generalized comment that is misleading.

Here's MGG's quote...Matthew: "He's an eccentric genius, with hints of schizophrenia and minor autism, Asperger's Syndrome. Reid is 24, 25 years old with three PH.D.'s and one can't usually achieve that without some form of autism."

Sorry to go off on a rant, but a generalized statement that Reid is autistic is misleading and perpetuates misunderstandings.

I'll be quiet now and go back to my fanfiction...
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Special_Agent_Marta
Special_Agent_Marta
16. RE: Too Much Romance...
Nov 1 2008, 7:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 1 2008, 7:13 PM EDT
"Don't get me wrong - a little flirting here and there is fine, but I thought this was just too much. It took away from the case too much. Not only does it not seem like something Reid would do, but it was obvious even then that this little Reid-n'-Lila thing was not going to last more than one episode. All in all, not my favourite episode. "
In my opinion, it was not so a bad episode! the Reid-Lila flirt was a nice idea to demonstrate that Reid is not only a genius but he also has feelings! I agree with those who think that love relationships between unit agents wouldn't be good (even if I do think that some couples would be nice, e.g. JJ/Reid or Garcia/Morgan), but some romantic storylines (although short as in this case) are a lighter aspect of the show and would represent even besser the characters' life. we have other examples of this. anyway, a little romance for Reid was not so bad! it lasted only one episode but I think it is very difficult for the characters to have a "normal" life outside the office... :(
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epicCMlove
epicCMlove
17. RE: Too Much Romance...
Dec 4 2009, 1:48 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2009, 1:48 AM EST
"Don't get me wrong - a little flirting here and there is fine, but I thought this was just too much. It took away from the case too much. Not only does it not seem like something Reid would do, but it was obvious even then that this little Reid-n'-Lila thing was not going to last more than one episode. All in all, not my favourite episode. "
I agree. While I thought the romance was cute, you could never see it happening again. Plus, I honestly don't think someone like Reid would be okay with the that.
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daisyink
18. RE: Too Much Romance...
Jun 8 2010, 1:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 8 2010, 1:10 AM EDT
I went into this episode expecting to dislike it, but I ended up enjoying it a lot! I liked that it showed different, more lighthearted sides to the agents. I laughed when Gideon ran away from the art gallery girl and when Morgan teased Reid about Lila. Sometimes the show is so grim that we forget they're regular people too, so it's nice that they joke around and flirt and everything. And I liked Lila a lot, and I actually could believe that she and Reid might be interested in each other for the duration of the episode. However, I'm curious as to how it would have played out if they were able to pursue a relationship, as it could turn out that Lila only liked him because he was a "hero" and Reid, in turn, felt strongly for her because she was one of the few girls who showed a genuine interest in him. Too bad we never get to find out! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
XoxoxmjxoxoX
XoxoxmjxoxoX
19. RE: Too Much Romance...
Jun 29 2010, 12:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2010, 12:36 AM EDT
i also went and watched this episode thinking i would hate it, probably because of the pool scene. But, aside from the pool scene (i didnt like that... =P) i think it was actually a great episode. It was really well done and the actors and actresses were all extremely good, especially Amber (Lila) . 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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