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Madchild |
1. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 10:16 PM EDT
Okay, bit of a spoiler right now cuz I know people who don't live on the east coast have not seen tonight's episode, but for those who have please see below!!I got interrupted mid-scene, but did Luke Perry's character rape Prentiss, or just beat her up??? And why didn't Hotch want to handle the negotiation?? Also, I like how she tried to make Reid feel better at the end, that was really sweet. And I am truly loving Reid's hair!! I liked this episode, in fact I'm liking all the episodes so far this season, i hope they keep the momentum up and don't lose it mid-season. Also, the girl married to Luke's character...I've seen her elsewhere...but can't place her right now. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 11:02 PM EDT
I don't think Prentiss was raped they only showed her getting beat up a bit.And the girl that was married to Luke's character was on CSI
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GoldfishGirl26 |
3. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 11:16 PM EDT
" And why didn't Hotch want to handle the negotiation?? "I thought it was because (apparently) Rossi had a lot of experience doing negotiationy stuff, and Hotch, having sent the Staties home tails between legs, was completely in charge of the big picture stuff. With Rossi handling the direct line to Cyrus (the trees), Hotch could step back and look at the forest. Awful though that may have been at times- I really felt for Hotch, Rossi and Derek listening through the wireless. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Bessie_Mae |
4. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 11:34 PM EDT
I wish they would have put in a *line* about Hotch needing to be in charge of the big picture or something that said, "yes, we haven't forgotten that Hotch is a negotiator and co wrote the textbook, but there's a reason why Rossi would be better to handle it." Prentiss wasn't raped or even threatened. She was beat up and kept telling the team that she could take it so they wouldn't come in. BTW, if she and Reid were bugged, how come nobody in the cult discovered it when they were checking them for weapons? Both of them were patted down. I have to say, I was pretty disinterested in the episode. I had gone in thinking that even if it wasn't a purely Prentiss episode, it would still seem to be a little more Prentiss than anyone else. Prentiss getting beat up does not a Prentiss episode make. But, in my experience an episode that's at all about a character tells us something about the character. That Prentiss can keep a cool head? Not the least bit illuminating. I knew that already. And, I realize I usually love scenes with Prentiss and guest stars,where she talks to them one on one. Whether they're victims or unsubs (or groupies), there's always something great about it. The scene with her and the mother in the cult? Didn't do a thing for me. The good? Her asking and getting the signal from Morgan. The frustration and helplessness of the team on the outside. Luke Perry was neither the best former teen show unsub (that would be James Van Der Beek) or the worst (that would be a big loud yell of the name Frankie Muniz). And, did they just never say why it was Prentiss and Reid who had gone undercover? As opposed to any other pairing? I figured they didn't just draw straws, so I would have liked some explanation of why them other than just the episode focused on them. That would have been interesting. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
fotobridget2 |
5. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 11:40 PM EDT
Hi Bessie...Gonna have to disagree with you about this episode somewhat--but then again, I'm a bit disagreeable on the whole! :) But like you, I wish we had learned a bit more back story BEFORE they arrived at the compound. Did agree with you about Luke Perry, though. As for the bugs--they didn't bug Emily and Reid, but rather, bugged the supplies Rossi carried in. I definitely liked Morgan and the laser light--and Emily at the explosion (what is it with explosions this season????) looking for Reid and Morgan--is that the first time we've REALLY seen her even the least bit vulnerable???? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Bessie_Mae |
6. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 11:47 PM EDT
But, how was Prentiss communicating with them when she was tied to the bed? Did she have any of the food or supplies with her then?
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fotobridget2 |
7. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 8 2008, 11:58 PM EDT
what was it 'para-something' microphones (the funny black lines that looked like camera lenses on screen) that picked up sound and vibrations, one was pointed directly at the window by where she was...those little buggers have a pretty wide range.So honestly--how did you perceive Rossi in the episode? Do you find this valuable? |
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Bessie_Mae |
8. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 12:24 AM EDT
"An honest opinion from me on Rossi? You do know that's dangerous territory, right? Oh, well. Like I said, Rossi doing the very thing that they had specifically made a point of saying was something Hotch was an expert at didn't sit well with me at all. Especially Rossi being the "teacher" (Did he teach Hotch that around the same time he supposedly taught the former Federal Prosecutor who to give evidence on the witness stand?) It just felt that this is just another thing to write on Rossi's enormous business cards: Dave Rossi, one of the original founders of the BAU, expert, debunker, and noted author on satanic serial killers, the "Insert famous actor here"'s (not sure who's hot right now) answer to Behavioral Analysis, Front Eye Seat to Ruby Ridge, Hostage Negotiator - and he sings a rich baritone and his sweat smells like a cool mountain breeze. Sorry, feel free to chalk it up to irrational hatred. And, I'm sorry, but I just do not buy him being that emotionally effected. I can buy that he's grown to respect them as coworkers and not mere babies that should listen to the great and powerful Rossi. That he respects their skill. If he had gotten panicky only after things started escalating and they could hear Prentiss getting beat up, I could see that. I would have even have been okay if I got a sense that he was picked to negotiate because he could be objective, that would have made sense. I just don't believe him as family. I know that's what I'm supposed to believe, I'm not expecting it to play out any differently, but I'm not feeling it. It's like a few pages are missing in that book. There's a middle somewhere that showed how he grew to be so close to the team, but I'm just suddenly thrust in the end product. I suppose if I bought it, then his doubt at being able to do it and then doing it would have come off pretty good. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Bessie_Mae |
9. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 12:27 AM EDT
Eep. Bitterness makes me fail at typing. I meant "How to give evidence on the witness stand" not who. And, I realize they didn't actually say Rossi taught Hotch how to negotiate, that was just some sarcasm in response to my feeling that Rossi can do everything.
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casecracker |
10. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 1:14 AM EDT
I really liked this episode for two reasons; one, Rossi was able to show more of his expertise, in such a way as to save not only a misguided flock but team members as well. You could see the pain, albeit less dramatic than Morgan, nonetheless; he didn't enjoy the beating of Prentiss. He called it when he told them to wait for the seige-the self appointed prophet was just testing his followers.and two, the conflict between Reid wanting to help Prentiss but also, knowing he needed to keep a level head in gaining their trust to save the others. The ending was inevitable, Prentiss had to tell Reid not to blame himself. Oh, and the writers made a point to draw your attention to the satellite receiver. The listening device they left with the food is like a short wave radio, if you will, the satellite receives its signals and transmitts. Prentiss didn't need to have the bug in her room the satellite was highlighted before that scene to explain it...... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Bessie_Mae |
11. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 1:23 AM EDT
I'm still not quite getting how the satellite worked for Prentiss without a listening device in her room to transmit the signals from. But, I'm thinking it's a technical deal that I'm just not able to wrap my head around, but makes sense to everyone else. So, I'll just accept that the satellite is what enabled her to be heard by the team, basically. That's the gist, right?
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Bessie_Mae |
12. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 1:37 AM EDT
A question for people who followed the real story this was likely based on. Did it feel like they ripped off from it? I noticed the cult was not Mormons, but that might have just been E! making the assumption that that's what they were supposed to be based on the story. Or, they changed it before the episode aired. But, how do you feel about how original the episode came off?
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Bessie_Mae |
13. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 4:12 AM EDT
Okay, before Rossi went in with the food, they mentioned something about putting bugs on all the windows which the satellite could pick up.
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fotobridget2 |
14. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 4:58 AM EDT
Eeek! Rossi-bitterness...snicker!I did have to say that the "This is it, we have to go in there" line Rossi said was more of a somebody has to say it for dramatic effect line than a true-Rossi line... As for ripping off the story from this summer's news--I think it DID take parts from that case, but also parts from Ruby Ridge, and Waco. Most writers do base storylines on things they've been aware of in the past. I didn't feel--as a writer--that they failed to be original in the slightest. In fact, I think I watched most of this episode standing two feet from my television in excitement. It even succeeded in knocking Seven SEconds out of my top favorite spot! Do you find this valuable? |
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#1hotchfan |
15. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 6:47 AM EDT
"But, how was Prentiss communicating with them when she was tied to the bed? Did she have any of the food or supplies with her then?"They were using some technical equipment that they could aim at the compound. As long as people were not yelling, they were able to pick up on it. They discussed it as they were setting it up. Emily knew this, that's why she kept putting her foot/boot in the window to get their attention. She knew they were listening and how and Morgan communicated back to her via the laser light. And I think you asked about the bugging..... they put it in the pack that they sent in with the medical supplies (the red bag) - the one Rossi delivered. Those bugs were only in the one area - the "church" room. I didn't think it was a bad episode. I think Luke Perry was a good choice for this role. What I was disappointed in was there was no mention of any further problems with Hotch's hearing or if it was all cleared up. I waited to see or hear something on the flight but not a word. I assumed from his successful flight there that all was well but confirmation would have been a good thing. I did LOVE the scene where Hotch dressed down that one guy in the beginning. "Now get off my crime scene." Priceless! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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GoldfishGirl26 |
16. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 8:15 AM EDT
"There wasn't? I was pretty sure the hyperacusis was why Hotch stayed back and did not go in with the raiding party. He may be able to fly, but being in an enclosed space with gunshots is probably still not a good idea. They need everyone at peak performance, and Hotch knew he couldn't give them that. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
batgurl88 |
17. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 9:24 AM EDT
"There wasn't? I was pretty sure the hyperacusis was why Hotch stayed back and did not go in with the raiding party. He may be able to fly, but being in an enclosed space with gunshots is probably still not a good idea. They need everyone at peak performance, and Hotch knew he couldn't give them that."I also assumed that this was why Hotch said he couldn't go in with the raiding party - that he still had a bit of hypersensitivity to guns firing and explosions. I really enjoyed this episode. It was nice seeing Reid confidently quoting scripture back at Cyrus, and Prentiss and Reid's concern for eachother was beyond adorable. I forgot how good a team these two were before 'Revelations', but the moment on the plane had me 'awww'-ing. I too would've appreciated a bit more backstory into how Prentiss and Reid were sent (I thought when they showed Quantico after the title sequence we'd get that, but guess I was wrong). There probably wasn't too much reasoning behind 'why Reid and Prentiss and not someone else' (they each go out on such interviews and custodials by themselves on occassion), but it still would've been nice. I'm still not sure I buy Rossi's concern for Reid and Prentiss, but the forced relationship between Rossi and the team doesn't bother me as much as it used to. If the writers want to act like they're all buddy-buddy now, wtv. And just when I was really starting to like Reid's hair, he slicks it back again... sigh... lol 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fotobridget2 |
18. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 11:18 AM EDT
I think that the writers were implying that a great deal of time had passed and not just one week--after all, if we stuck strictly to the week-by-week timeframe, JJ would have only told them she was pregnant around two weeks ago. She was showing alot last night--and that Bump didn't pop up in less than a week's time. As for Hotch not being able to go in there, as their immediate supervisor, and presumably the person who knew them best, him going in would have been a major liability for the Bureau. If something had went wrong with him in there--especially something he or they caused--there could be serious ramifications. That's why he couldn't go in there, and why he chose Dave--who has only known them a fraction of the time Hotch has. He knew Dave was an experienced negotiator and he also knew Emily/Reid would be doing whatever they had to to get out, affecting the outcome. Hotch could stay back and direct EVERYONE appropriately. It made more sense for Hotch to not go in, in my opinion. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Discuss Episode 4.03 Minimal Loss here
Oct 9 2008, 11:34 AM EDT
I loved this episode, Rossi was excellent...he kept a cool head and made all the right decisions. Hotch was unusually panicky and for whatever reason he asked Rossi to do it he made the right choice. Rossi is a very experienced agent.The moment at the end where Emily and Reid realised their hand holding was a bit too cosy was funny!! Just a nice touch at the end of a good episode. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
